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The Amazing Red noses

The Red nose pitbull

The history o the red dogs with red nose, who are the elite dogs of the entire American Pit Bull Terrier breed.  

Those special dogs that made history by merits, consistency and performance.  The great dogs that put the names in history , NOT ALL REDS, AND RED NOSES ARE EQUAL.  These are the great.

Here we are going to break down why the selected group of dogs throughout history have dominated the best performance of the breed.  We will talk about the most powerful family of red nose pitbulls ” THE GOLDEN VEIN ” by Chico Lopez, The red nose game dogs extending from the 1900s. The effect of those game dogs with dogs such as “Mayfield`s Tombstone ” ” Champion Red boy” ” STPs Gr ch Buck ROM " "Chico Lopez’s Champion Awesome Buck ROM ” ” Tants Gr ch Yellow"  " The Chosen Few`s Global gr ch Siega The great, BIS, Dog of the year" "  " Global Gr ch Athos from Bucha " " Hollingsworths Dolly" ROM " " Hollingsworth dogs " " Global gr ch champion Chillindrina`s Dog of the year BIS and GIS "

We also will include the connection of the Buckskin dogs who are also a variation of red dogs and in many case the predecessors of the Red nose dogs. The powerful connection of dog that came from red dogs or help build some of those gamedogs such as ” Aycart`s Gr ch Mayday ROM ” One of the most fundamental dogs in the history of the breed. Also the laters most powerful producers of greatness such as ” Global champion Mechanic Buck ROM BIS ” ” Global Champion The Bagman ROM BIS ” These group of modern dogs with in the last 3 to 4 decades have taken the breed to new heights.   connecting the Bagman as called by Richard Stratton authors and historian of the APBT as ” The Bagman is the modern Champion of ” The old family red nose and a candidate to be the best of in the world ” 

 We will be breaking down history that matters at started in the old continent and specifically in Irland. The hardcore hard Irish men did build greatness doing their times, as they looked for the gamest real American Pit Bull terrier’s of all times.

The evolution of these red dogs. The old men behind and you will learn that just as not all red cars are Ferraris Not all red dogs are super dogs 

                                           

A Modern Champion of the Old Family Red Strain

~THE BAGMAN~

The Bagman and his red nose pitbull puppies

By Richard F. Stratton

I am often asked if the Old Family Red Nose line is still a game strain or is it a passion of neophytes.  Well, it’s a little of both.  It is certainly true that the red nose coloration is very popular with those new to the breed.  I am partly responsible for that, as I wrote quite a bit about it in my books.  Also, a large OFRN dog was featured in the movie Flash Dance, which was quite a popular movie in its day.

There was a time when adherents of the line were frustrated that any dog that showed that coloration was considered a member of the OFRN line.  To be considered a member of that strain, the common belief was that Centipede, Lighthouse Vick, Owen’s Tanner, Harvey’s Red Devil, and Cyclone should be in the pedigree.  But those dogs were way back in the twenties, thirties, and forties.  The great Centipede’s owner was a member of a big name band, and he was on the road a lot, so he got dog people friends of his to keep him for him, but he was quite generous about allowing breeding to the dog.  Ferguson, Centipede’s owner, went off to war in the second Great War, and he died a hero’s death.  Red Howell ended up with him, and he bred him to just about everything. 

Centerpide the historical dog

That was not surprising, as Centipede was generally acknowledged the best dog of his age.

The point I am trying to make is that all of those dogs were bred so much that any of the modern day dogs that show that coloration are bound to have those dogs back in their pedigrees—and so do dogs with other colorations, but they aren’t held up as representatives of the strain!

Truth to tell, a lot of the original Old Family Red Nose dogs did not have an all red coloration, with red toe nails and fiery red eyes.  D. A. McClintock, Bob Hemphill, and Bob Wallace became some of the modern OFRN enthusiasts, and a lot of their dogs had white on them, or they were a color other than red, such as brindle, with the red nose.  It is kind of ironic that a lot of these dogs, including Tudor’s Fighting Peter, Cyclone, and Centipede went through Earl Tudor’s hands, as he didn’t particularly care for the coloration.  Even Lightner, who is most credited for the origin of the strain got rid of his because he didn’t like the color, and he didn’t like that fact that they were running too big.  Oh well, a lot of the reason that these guys didn’t like that coloration was that it looked sort of freaky in those days.  People were used to seeing Bulldogs in all colorations but that!

Anyway, I just tell people who want modern OFRN dogs that are game to get dogs from game strains.  One of these modern dogs is a candidate of one of the world’s top pit dogs.  When I wrote about Grand Champion Titere, who is often credited with being the top dog in the world, I emphasized that it is difficult to really determine such things.  But The Bagman is a definite candidate, too, and he is a fine specimen of that grand old bloodline.  (I think the best way to think about the OFRN line now is as a branching line, with some branching out to show dogs and some to pets, while others branch into various game dog lines.  Of course, dogs from the game lines can be pets, too—in fact, they are usually the best in that regard!

Anyway, let me tell you about The Bagman.  This is a great Bulldog in every sense of the word.  He is smart, and he has freaky athletic ability—and he can’t be made to bite a person, as his disposition is just that good.

The pups he has sired all look like him, nearly exact replicas.  If they turn out like him, a storm is coming because The Bagman is something special, an international champion.  He has it all: gameness, smarts, and crazy ability.  It will be interesting to see how he will rate as a producer, but he should do well, as he has quality breeding behind him.

His sire, Champion King Amok was a three-time winner and one-time game loser, and he is a son of Champion Awesome Buck, a four-time winner and one-time game loser. 

OLD FAMILY RED NOSE

He appears in the pedigree on the dam’s side, too, and he has been a great producer.  Three of Sporting Dog Journal’s Dogs of the Year were sired by him.

The Bagman got his championship in just under four months in three different countries, including South America, Mexico, and Europe.  During his tug A war competitions he polished off his first two opponent in short order: 14 minutes and 22 minutes.  But his third challenger was something special, and it took The Bagman an hour and fifty-five minutes to best him.

Obviously, The Bagman is something special himself, and I think we will be hearing about him as a producer in the future.  Those who want game Old Family Red Nose dogs need look no further.

Richard Stratton and Chico Lopez

The History of these great modern ” Old Family red nose dogs” Made up of the best game dogs of modern times, The Global elite American Pit Bull Terriers.

” REDBOY DOGS “

The Redboy dogs
The best Redboy dog of modern times . Owned by Chico Lopez

The history of the red Redboy bloodline is absolutely sensational.  My long experience started during 1992 with the dogs of  Smiths Red and my favorite are the combination of the bobby Holland dogs by way Stuff , making Chico Lopez’s SargeROM, Sire of the greatest Siega The great.

Sammy Boomer was dog that we hold for few days up in The Bronx NY  Late 1990s  . He went out to be a solid producer of many good dogs around the world. ” The red nose American Pit Bull Terrier ” by way of The ” Redboy dogs bloodline of pitbulls” made tremendous help to many breeding programs that were took on nothing special, and the redboy dogs gave them a second wind.

I will be adding some articles written by other men who were in some way or another involved on some dogs from the past.

Article 1

RED BOY DOGS

For many years I have heard about Red Boy dogs. One of the first persons to popularize them was Katie Marlow also known as Carolina Kitten. She owned Triangle Acres Kennels. Her boyfriend, The Tom Cat, helped her to take care and handle the dogs. I heard, Red Boy dogs were extremely game with no mouth. Red Boy dogs are predominantly red nose and came from the Carolinas. My first thought of Red Boy dogs was, that they were probably Hemphill blood. Why I thought that is because they were red nose and Bob Hemphill was from S. Carolina. I always heard they were Colby blood from Howard Teal. I would see some of Howard’s dogs at conventions at Earl Adams in TN. I don’t ever remember any of Howard’s dogs looking like Red Boy or what he produced. So I started thinking about it more and more. I thought back years ago about other people that had Colby’s bloodline and I don’t remember any of them having dogs like the Red Boy dogs. I thought about people like Bob Neblett, Blair Hetrick’s, Walter Komosinski, J.R. Loposay and of the old Colby dogs. Many years ago I was up to Fergy’s place and he had just received 6 dogs from Medlin from his Outlaw blood. There was no Red Boy blood in them. As I thought about Medlin’s Outlaw dogs without Red Boy blood in them, none of them including Fergy’s were like Red Boy dogs. The 6 dogs that Fergy had were all ten-minute curs. Medlin’s Outlaw and Bass’ Red Boy Tramp were suppose to be half brothers from Teal’s Jeff.

Over the years from seeing and becoming more familiar with Red Boy dogs my opinion changed where they came from. I would see dogs like Deacon and his brother Hunter Red and feel sure there was Hemphill blood in them. Deacon and Hunter Red could pass for our dog Maud’s littermates. Maud was pure Hemphill bloodlines. As I began to see more Red Boy dogs my opinion changed more and more. When I saw Bailey’s Bingo I thought he could pass for Ch. Iron Bear’s twin brother. Especially the white on the muzzle, his mouth and the shape of his front end. Where my opinion greatly changed was when I acquired a pup named Tramp. Tramp’s sire was Deacon, his dam was Bailey and Long’s Blitz. Another occasion was when I acquired Jackel, her sire was Bingo and her dam was Lock’s Bliss. Bliss was a full sister to White’s Tab and Ch. Tramp. I bred Tramp to Jackel and the pups grew up to look like their parents.
The look of conformation of Tramp, Jackal and their pups were like our female Gr. Ch. Koko and Corvino’s Shorty.

One of the rumors that I heard about Red Boy dogs was, they come from a dog from South Eastern United States by the name of Ch. Whino. Whino bloodline was from Corvino’s Shorty. Another rumor that Bobby Holland, Yankee Boys and others would tell was that Bass claimed Red Boy’s blood came from TN. that Herbert Storms, Vera Storm’s husband, sent to TN. I knew a lot of people in TN. had similar bloodline like Storms.
If anybody has ever seen the pedigree on Storm’s Dibo, Dibo’s dam Stacy’s Taxi and on the topside of the pedigree you will see names like Christie’s Go Go and others. I first encountered George Christie back in the late 60’s early 70’s. George use to advertise in Bloodline Journal. Last time I talked to George he was on his deathbed in the middle 80’s. George and I had some similar stock from some Creed’s dogs. These dogs were based off Louis Baker’s dogs Shorty and Jack.
These were from the Red Devil bloodline.
George Christie sent Herbert Swafford Red Devil bred dogs to TN.
Clarence Yates sent Herbert Swafford (Bred like Spike) and Earl Adams dogs that created Cajun Lulu and Sunset.
If Red Boy was truly from the dogs from TN. This would explain the Hemphill/Red Devil look from Red Boy dogs that are ¾ or pure. I don’t believe this stock is from the Storm’s Dibo but from stock bred similar to her.
By the way, George also owned littermates to Ch. Iron Spike R.O.M.
I believe Red Boy is 75 to 80% Red Devil from Frank Creed of his Corvino/Clouse breeding
from his Stabber and Red Devil dogs.
The rest, 20 to 25% was of Hemphill blood of Herbert Storms or George’s stock off Wilder’s Mitzie,
(Spike’s older brother and sisters or litter mates).

Bass’ Cleo’s pedigree has never been in great question. Cleo’s father was Loposay’s Cash. Cash’s father was Loposay’s Bouncer. Bouncer was a littermate brother to Wise’s Sister Sue, inbred Ross’ Red Devil.
Thus making Bass’ Cleo 25% Ross’ Red Devil bloodline.
If you believe Bass’ Red Boy Tramp’s pedigree is correct his dam would be Mcleod’s Susie Q Gal. Susie Q Gal’s dam side would be Frank’s Sugar, Sugar’s mother’s side was pure Creed bloodlines from Rizer’s Bonnie, her sire was Geltz’ Tuffy, Ross’ Red Devil’s littermate brother, Bonnie’s dam was Lady Elgin, Lady Elgin’s pedigree appears in the old Your Friend and Mine published by Pete Sparks.
If my memory serves me right when Lady Elgin was bred to Tuffy it was line breeding like grandfather to granddaughter.

So whichever way you want to believe that Red Boy dogs are bred the FACT remaining is,
there are Ross’ Red Devil bloodlines in the Bass’ Red Boy Tramp bloodlines.

Ross’ Red Devil was predominantly made up of Corvino’s Shorty bloodline. Shorty’s sire was Bruce’s Jerry,
Jerry was from Con Feeley stock of the “Old Family Reds”.

Information that is available from books and internet.

 
 

Pat Patrick  red dogs

Stp`s Gr ch Buck ROM
A good dog, yet not great

The red dogs from Pat Patrick (Breeder) , historical dogs that later became part of the foundation of Hollingsworth dogs and be definition bases of the great Victor Aycart`s Gr ch Mayday ROM DOY

Today the best of those dogs are our dogs as are the evolution of the best of the past.  Here you can see an interview made to Pat Patrick in the past many decades ago. Today serves are historical reference of things that are just old history of the past.

Interview starts here.

Patrick’s main stud dogs were Indian BOLIO and Patrick’s TOMBSTONE. These two dogs not only proved to be Game winning Pit dogs, but in Patrick’s hands turned out to be first class producers of equally good dogs. 

We at The times  feel that Patrick deserves lots of credit for his outstanding record of breeding good dogs. In the next few pages we asked Pat about his experience on this subject and we hope you will enjoy reading his answers. 

Pat, who were the first people you brought your dogs from?

Keith Allen sold me TATER and FAITH and Indian Sonny sold me Red BABY’S dam, a Bitch named GOLDIE. Maurice Carver sold me DIAMOND and Don Mayfield sold me TOMBSTONE. Also, I got DOLLY from Don Maloney and Grand Champion HANK from Danny Burton. I bought my first dog from Adolph Torres of Los Angeles back in 1967. He told me his dogs were bred for fighting just as their ancestors had been bred for perhaps more than 22 years. Arny Steinberg showed me the dogs of Clouse bloodlines like TATER and FAITH and other dogs that he and Keith Allen owned at the time. They were very Game, long winded dogs. Later I discovered the Maloney dogs like TOMBSTONE and DOLLY and BOLIO dogs. It really is a matter of trial and error. I went by what I saw and heard from other good dogmen. I’ve tried lots of different bloodlines; always try to stay with the bloodlines that consistently produce high a percentage of good to great bulldogs. I have settled on the Maloney dogs, the BOLIO dogs and the TATER and FAITH lines because these bloodlines have worked the best for me and produced good individuals. I also like the dogs that come from Indian Sonny’s Corvino dog, CRUSHER and the old Carver dogs with little or no BULLYSON bloodlines in them. The reason why I bought TOMBSTONE from Don Mayfield was because I talked to Bert Sorrells and Indian Sonny and other California dogmen and they all said he was a good dog. 

What qualities are you looking for in a dog?

Gameness. The desire to keep fighting when a dog is hurt, tired, and losing. That is the most important quality. Endurance, often called stamina or natural air is the next most important quality in my book. I like a smart fighting dog that can adapt to his opponent. Speed, strength and good balance in a dog contribute to a dog’s wrestling ability. A hard bite and the ability to keep biting hard can certainly help a dog to win. I like a dog to stay after his opponent that has quit; I seek a good finisher. A good head fighter is my favorite style because they can often win without getting hurt much. A good head dog can be effective against any other style. Indian BOLIO was the best head fighter I’ve ever seen, and he was also the best stud dog I know of. I sometimes hear other dogmen say this dog or that dog would have easily beaten BOLIO. I don’t believe it. He was the all-around best fighting dog I ever saw, pound for pound. 

Where did you get BOLIO from? 

BOLIO was taken from Indian Sonny’s Yard after some kind of dispute with some people I can’t name. I had no part in this. Sonny and I did not like each other too much, but again I had no part in taking BOLIO from his Yard. Anyway, the people who took BOLIO from Sonny had trouble keeping BOLIO after he bit a kid. They brought BOLIO to my yard for safe keeping. If the situation was reversed I know for sure Sonny would do the same. Maurice Carver had bred BOLIO together with Eddie Klaus, and I believe Floyd Boudreaux and Bennett Clayton owned the dog before Sonny did. 

Pat can you tell me what good dogs BOLIO produced? 

Yes, number one he produced CH. GREB, an extremely rough, hard biting, dead game dog. He was a chest dog mainly. Number two, Kincaid’s CH. Princess, almost unbeatable at 39lbs. She was a hard mouth dog that fought the head and the legs. Number three, CH. DAGON. He was a son of TUFFY and killed dogs in less than 30 minutes. He liked the Chest, throat, stomach, kidneys and face. Number four, Patrick’s Chen Lang. He could fight like hell at full speed until his opponent was exhausted. He was strong and very fast, but a light biter. Number five, Patrick’s Bull Boy Bob. A brother to Ch. Dagon, an all-around talented dog, at his best on the nose. Number six, Patrick’s Red Baby, a talented hard biting head dog that has produced many good dogs herself. Number seven and eight, Pinky (a litter sister to Red Baby) and Baby Spike. Both of these dogs were similar to Red Baby. Number ten, Kid’s Blackie, a brother to CH. Blackie, a brother to CH. Princess and Chen Lang with a similar style and ability. Number eleven to fifteen, Pretty Girl, Boogie, No Name, Pin Head, and Bertha. They were all sisters to Ch. Princess, and they were all just as good as she was. Number sixteen, Ch. Kramer, a son of Sable, a real good all around fighter. Fast and skillful. Number seventeen, Commander White Head. He was 7/8th Bolio genes. A hard biter on the legs and head. Number eighteen, Rojo, a son of Gr. Ch. Hope. He killed dogs with his chest and shoulder holds. Number nineteen, Kincaid’s Rollo. He was a game, long winded dog and an extra hard scratcher. Rollo was a son of Ch. Princess. Number twenty, Patrick’s Kona, a daughter of Boni Maroni (Tonka’s sister) Kona was an ace, very fast and strong with a hard bite. Number twenty one, El Dos Bits Cortaro, an inbred son of Bolio. He was never matched for money, but he was very game, with great natural air. He bites hard and is a good head dog. There were a lot more outstanding Bolio dogs, but I’ve bragged about him enough for one interview.

If you had to breed to a male dog outside your own kennels, which one would you pick and why?

There are a few good ones I would like to breed to some good bitches, one of them would be Smith’s Red Rock. He is a pit ace with gameness and head fighting style I like. He is an inbred Ch. Tonka dog, and I already own his sister Anderson’s Rose and all her pups turned out game. Another dog would be Diamond Jim’s Luther. This dog is very heavy in Carver’s Ironhead, and he was bred to my Rose bitch when Diamond Jim owned her. From this breeding came some great dogs. Also Rodriguez’s Ch. Midnight. This dog has taken some good dogs out very quickly. He is a well bred dog with perfect confirmation for combat. Another dog I like is Allen’s Gr. Ch. Robert T. He has the head fighting style I like, and he is a blend of the Carver’s Black Widow and my Tater and Faith, Bolio and Tombstone blood. He proved his great stamina in a three hour win. 

When and why did you buy Anderson’s Ch. TonCh. Tonka was about seven or eight years old when I bought him from Ronnie Anderson. He is out of Tombstone and Red Baby, this, plus the fact that he is a very good fighting dog and a hell of a producer, convinced me to buy him from Ronnie. I can’t keep track of all the dogs that he produced because Ronnie bred him often before I got him, but I will name you a few that I know of. When he was bred to Sherwood’s Blondy, a two-time winner herself, he sired Ch. Shawn and Ch. Willie Booger. When bred to Anderson’s Raaven, he produced Ch. Billy and Ch. Buck. He also sired Ch. Bocefuss and Ch. Samantha, who is still being campaigned. Ch. Tonka is not recognized as a R.O.M. in the Sporting Dog Journal and that’s a real rip-off. He should definitely be R.O.M., and I’m sure if he were a Georgia-bred dog he would be! 

What was your relation to Anderson, Carver, Indian Sonny, or other dogmen?

Anderson and I did business together, and I considered him a friend of mine. I purchased one dog from Maurice Carver on a weekend visit to his place, I wish I had purchased more dogs from him at the time, because I believe he had the best dog yard in the world from about 1968 to maybe 1978. Indian Sonny has lots of knowledge and experience, and I like the bloodlines that he uses. Carl Winn runs a smaller yard but he also knows how to breed good dogs. I believe that these people are good breeders, and I respect them for that. Floyd Boudreaux and Gary Hammonds also have great knowledge and experience and many famous dogs have come from their yards. Bobby Smith of Texas always had good dogs in his yard and he has probably seen more fights in his life than anybody else. Ron of the U & S Kennels in Europe is a very intelligent breeder, and he is putting out some of the best dogs in the world. Mike Harrison, Darrin Steel, Bruce Foster and Navarro will be breeding outstanding dogs in the future. 

What do you consider more important, pedigree or individual performance?

To me pedigree and individual performance are equal in importance. All dogs have their own genes, different from other dogs, even his own brother. I think the better dogs have the better genes most often. Sometimes a very good dog comes along with not much quality in their pedigree. Maybe he is a throwback to some of his few good ancestors, but a dog like this is never a good producer. I would not use a pit ace for breeding if he did not have a solid pedigree. I would not use a superb bred dog for breeding if he was not also game. For best results you need both good breeding and performance. There is no compromise. 

What is the best dog on your Yard right now?

Patrick’s HOMER. He is a son of El Dos Bits and a pure Clouse bitch named Cricket. His parents are dead game. I purchased him from Gene Wright. Gene had won twice with him when his opponents were picked up in less than 20 minutes. He also collected some forfeits. I bought Homer in his prime or else he would surely have made Grand Champion at 30lbs. I would really like to take this opportunity to thank Gene for selling me this great little dog. His pups are very Game talented dogs and he will be a R.O.M. soon. 

How do you determine the quality of your dogs and especially in those you sell as a puppy?

First of all the dogs I use must show the traits we talked about before like gameness and determination to keep fighting while under pressure. When I breed a well bred game male to a well bred game female, I have all the confidence in the world that the pups I sell have a good chance to be game too. Due to the strict laws, I can’t roll or match dogs and I must, and do, obey these laws. However, my breeding stock is all proven game even if someone else did the testing. I cannot legally fight dogs or sell them to fight, and I obey this law, but it is not illegal to breed proven game dogs or retired champions, and this is what I do..Ch. Tonka is a good example of this. He won three matches in front of many people in another part of this country, and when he came to me on my yard, he never had another tooth in him. I don’t like these laws, but they exist, and I obey them for my own safety.

What can you tell me about Tombstone?

Tombstone was a deep game dog that won a come-from-behind fight in the hands of Don Mayfield against a dog that was considered unbeatable. I used that Tombstone as a stud dog and sired many good dogs. When I bred him to Bolio’s daughter Red Baby, he produced Ch. Tonka who was a very hard biting nose dog. In the same litter were Ch. Snubby, Wilson’s Ch. Crash, and Dugan’s Ali. He won twice with the head fighting style that was the trademark of this litter. Then there was Falcon Eddie (a one-time winner), Merrit’s Snapper (a one-time winner) and also Crum’s Creamator, this female won two matches and no takers after that. Ruth’s Smash was also out of Tombstone and Red Baby, and he won at 48lbs. He was foolishly matched into a 58lb dog, and he was killed in this match. Eight pups out of this combination won 17 matches and lost only once. Tombstone also produced Lewis’ Gr. Ch. Hope, she was out of Ch. Catfish. Hope could do it all. Her combination of wrestling and hard biting, stamina, and gameness was too much for the 40lb bitches of her day. Furthermore, he produced three males that won about ten matches between them when he was bred to Ozzie Steven’s Precious. There was Ch. Tuffy, who was HOPE’S brother. He was not fast or smart, but strong with good air and plenty of gameness to get the job done. Tombstone also sired Pool’s Ch. Teresa who won five but lost one. 

What do you believe to be more important, the stud dog or the brood bitch?

I really believe that both male and female are equally important. They both contribute 50% on average to the genetic make-up of the pups and that’s why both pedigree and quality of the individual dog must be of first class. 

Why did you sell Gr. Ch. Hank to Andre Giroux?

Well, I bought HANK from Danny Burton after he won his title, and I bred him to several of my good bitches. He sired some good dogs when I bred him to Red Baby; however, on the average, Hank did not sire the percentage of good to great dogs that some of my other stud dogs did. I offered him for sell and it so happened that Andre Giroux made me a good offer for him and that’s why I sold him. Hank sired Ch. Assassin when I bred him to Red Baby. 

Besides the dogs that were sired by Bolio or Tombstone, what other well known dogs did you breed?

Quite a few, for instance; Gr. Ch. Buck, he beat the Rebel’s Gr. Ch. Sandman in his last match in three hours 12 minutes. He was out of Patrick’s Golden Boy, a son of Keno and out of a bitch I named Red Lady. Keno also sired Payne’s Ch. Black Annie when I bred him to Slick. Keno himself was sired by Tombstone, and he was a very game dog, but never matched. When I bred Bull Boy Bob to Blitz, I got Steel’s Ch. Hammer. When bred to Mabel, he produced Boyle’s Ch. Bobby Jr. When I bred Four Bitz to Blitz, I got Wichita’s Ch. Blaze. Another stud dog of mine named Bolio Jr. sired Dann’s Ch. B.J. and Gr. Ch. Ojo Azul. I bred Patrick’s Jose to a bitch from McHarry and that produced Steven’s Ch. Rastus and Chances’ Bobby McGee. I also bred Patrick’s Billy to a bitch of Arnold Steinberg and from that combination came Steinberg’s Ch. Jodi. When Billy was bred to my old Sable bitch, he produced Steven’s Ch. Tammy. All together I believe I bred more than 30 champions and that is not counting the truckloads of one and two time winners that came out of my brood stock. 

Who do you believe is the best dogman all around?

That’s a tough question to answer. Perhaps. Well, I believe that Bobby Smith from Texas is one of the very best dogmen in the USA. He is a knowledgeable, an honest man, and he and his sons know how to put one in shape too. Another guy that is very dedicated and also a very good conditioner is Ron Ulvelink from U & S Kennels in Europe. I believe that these two men are as good as anybody else when it comes breeding and shaping a good pit bulldog. There are others with a high percentage of wins, but you also hear a lot of rumors about these guys doing this and that and to me a good dogman is an honest man that takes pride in his dealings. 

What is your advice to a young man that wants to breed his own dogs?

Buy the best breeding bitches you can find and breed them to the best males in the country, even if you have to travel with the bitch and pay a stud fee of $500 or $1000. Try to learn from the dogmen that have proven themselves as the best, year after year. Everybody needs to learn by experience and experienced people are very important to a beginner. Have faith in your beliefs and stick with the proven bloodlines that have been winning today and yesterday and your chances will be that you will win tomorrow.

About Quality – by “Pat” Patrick

Pat Patrick APBT, American Pit Bull Terrier, pit bull, pit bull, Bolio, Tombstone

I read everything I could find on the methods of cultivation and the ideas of the past. I am sure that many did the same. I think that most of competitive dogmen agree that there is a list of important qualities that you want if you want to win. Some breeders say that the gameness is a unique quality and is not required for breeding. Others would say that a strong bite and the talent are not transmitted by inheritance, and that gameness was the only goal, saying, if the dog had other abilities, they did not include them in breeding. They saw them as separate qualities, in addition to gameness.

I have my own opinion. I think that game the most important quality if you want your dog has won. But I believe that other qualities are also important and they are also transmitted by inheritance. I believe energy, stamina, endurance, good breathing, and while less important than gameness, it is the next most important quality that the dog should have. Two dogs may be in perfect condition, but one of them will be able to work longer. If the dog does not have gameness, it loses. If the dog is suffocating, it loses. 

Pat Patrick APBT, American Pit Bull Terrier, pit bull, pit bull, Bolio, Tombstone

After gameness and the natural ability of endurance, I place other criteria in the following sequence of importance. This ability to hold hostage. This capability will allow the dog to keep the enemy from away from vitals. Good demolisher knows how to reach the goal and how to break down a defense. It can also change tactics. Strong bite always helps to win. However, I would put the bite after the game, endurance and total capacity. I do not believe game pit bulls quit when severely bitten. Many game dogs, such as Ch. “Marcel”, showed a good game when they could not win. I noticed dogs that showed a stronger bite and greater rarely maintain those attributes for long. The reason for this is they come out fast pace. They use all their strength and energy to bite and after 20 or 30 minutes they begin to slow down and often lose to a gamer dog that can breathe. If you see a dog in a short time, they look very impressive. Deep game dogs with the same ability may pace themselves and start to show more control after 20 minutes.

Pat Patrick APBT, American Pit Bull Terrier, pit bull, pit bull, Bolio, Tombstone

Some believe in breeding for a strong bite by breeding hard biter to hard biter. This theory says that if you bring two strong biting dogs, then you will get a dog that will destroy their opponents. Gameness to the people that believe in this theory is often second. This hard biting theory is more popular now than it was 20 years ago. Some breeders are trying to develop dogs with super abilities. These dogs though are often too big (bulky & strong) for most game dogs and may win for 20 minutes or even less, so they believe or say. These breeders were almost always new to the game and not too good at understanding dogs. They have not respected the dogs that achieve a win by going longer than an hour. They believe any dog that has to go two, three, or four hours is too harmless. However, if their dog wins a longer match, these same people will now say this proves that their dog game. These guys are inconsistent and have limited proof of their theories. In fact, no successful breeders with a lot of wins puts the ability to bite as top priority in the framework of their breeding program. Yes, there is some evidence that dogs with great ability do not need to be game to win, but this theory never worked on a large scale, and it has never proven itself true over time.  

I believe that all these qualities (gameness, energy, stamina, bite) are transmitted genetically to the offspring, but not just by the dog being bred. What you produce is genetic is a product of all the dogs in his pedigree. A dog can have a very strong bite, but if none of his predecessors had such a bite, it is unlikely that his puppy is a strong bite

To be continued